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Moderna’s mRNA-based seasonal influenza vaccine
https://www.npr.org/2026/08/01/nx-s1-5897441/fda-mrna-moderna-flu-vaccine Health Secretary Robert F Kennedy Jr. has long questioned the value of mRNA vaccine technology. And soon t
Quote from: This Dave on August 13, 2026, 10:29:55 AM Quote from: Zeropartii on August 12, 2026, 08:51:16 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 12, 2026, 06:43:29 PM Quote from: So Cruel on August 12, 2026, 06:15:50 PM Quote from: Zeropartii on August 12, 2026, 06:02:49 PM Quote from: So Cruel on August 12, 2026, 01:19:04 PM Quote from: Zeropartii on August 12, 2026, 12:37:25 PM
People I talked to on the first rollout felt sick for days.
(https://i.redd.it/hhvkyfld3sad1.jpeg)
Some people have adverse reactions to ibuprofen so stop the grandstanding as if it could not happen. In fact it was pretty rough for many. I’m happy I never took it.
You had a generic “people I talked to were sick for days”. How many? What % were sick for days?
Between friends and family I know at least 30 people who got the shot and the only person I know who felt a bit ill was one of my brothers and that was for a day.
It's a broken record narrative.
You pushed the bs so hard. It’s on the record. People under 50 were truly not at risk.
And pushing it on children, who were at ZERO risk if otherwise healthy. ZERO.
Testing societal compliance.
Quote from: Zeropartii on August 12, 2026, 08:51:16 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 12, 2026, 06:43:29 PM Quote from: So Cruel on August 12, 2026, 06:15:50 PM Quote from: Zeropartii on August 12, 2026, 06:02:49 PM Quote from: So Cruel on August 12, 2026, 01:19:04 PM Quote from: Zeropartii on August 12, 2026, 12:37:25 PM
People I talked to on the first rollout felt sick for days.
(https://i.redd.it/hhvkyfld3sad1.jpeg)
Some people have adverse reactions to ibuprofen so stop the grandstanding as if it could not happen. In fact it was pretty rough for many. I’m happy I never took it.
You had a generic “people I talked to were sick for days”. How many? What % were sick for days?
Between friends and family I know at least 30 people who got the shot and the only person I know who felt a bit ill was one of my brothers and that was for a day.
It's a broken record narrative.
You pushed the bs so hard. It’s on the record. People under 50 were truly not at risk.
And pushing it on children, who were at ZERO risk if otherwise healthy. ZERO.
Quote from: So Cruel on August 12, 2026, 01:19:04 PM Quote from: Zeropartii on August 12, 2026, 12:37:25 PM
People I talked to on the first rollout felt sick for days.
(https://i.redd.it/hhvkyfld3sad1.jpeg)
All of my relatives who criticized me for not getting the shot (again, I had COVID right before the shot rolled out, so my immunity was already way better than what was conferred by the shot- I had it tested) talked about how they got sick from it, while still criticizing me for not getting it. But the people in the TV said that I was bad, so...
Quote from: Zeropartii on August 12, 2026, 08:51:16 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 12, 2026, 06:43:29 PM Quote from: So Cruel on August 12, 2026, 06:15:50 PM Quote from: Zeropartii on August 12, 2026, 06:02:49 PM Quote from: So Cruel on August 12, 2026, 01:19:04 PM Quote from: Zeropartii on August 12, 2026, 12:37:25 PM
People I talked to on the first rollout felt sick for days.
(https://i.redd.it/hhvkyfld3sad1.jpeg)
Some people have adverse reactions to ibuprofen so stop the grandstanding as if it could not happen. In fact it was pretty rough for many. I’m happy I never took it.
You had a generic “people I talked to were sick for days”. How many? What % were sick for days?
Between friends and family I know at least 30 people who got the shot and the only person I know who felt a bit ill was one of my brothers and that was for a day.
It's a broken record narrative.
You pushed the bs so hard. It’s on the record. People under 50 were truly not at risk.
What they couldn't deny that any longer they had to come up with some other reason to give young people the poke - and that reason was 'long Covid'.
Quote from: Codeguy on August 12, 2026, 06:43:29 PM Quote from: So Cruel on August 12, 2026, 06:15:50 PM Quote from: Zeropartii on August 12, 2026, 06:02:49 PM Quote from: So Cruel on August 12, 2026, 01:19:04 PM Quote from: Zeropartii on August 12, 2026, 12:37:25 PM
People I talked to on the first rollout felt sick for days.
(https://i.redd.it/hhvkyfld3sad1.jpeg)
Some people have adverse reactions to ibuprofen so stop the grandstanding as if it could not happen. In fact it was pretty rough for many. I’m happy I never took it.
You had a generic “people I talked to were sick for days”. How many? What % were sick for days?
Between friends and family I know at least 30 people who got the shot and the only person I know who felt a bit ill was one of my brothers and that was for a day.
It's a broken record narrative.
You pushed the bs so hard. It’s on the record. People under 50 were truly not at risk.
Quote from: So Cruel on August 12, 2026, 06:15:50 PM Quote from: Zeropartii on August 12, 2026, 06:02:49 PM Quote from: So Cruel on August 12, 2026, 01:19:04 PM Quote from: Zeropartii on August 12, 2026, 12:37:25 PM
People I talked to on the first rollout felt sick for days.
(https://i.redd.it/hhvkyfld3sad1.jpeg)
Some people have adverse reactions to ibuprofen so stop the grandstanding as if it could not happen. In fact it was pretty rough for many. I’m happy I never took it.
You had a generic “people I talked to were sick for days”. How many? What % were sick for days?
Between friends and family I know at least 30 people who got the shot and the only person I know who felt a bit ill was one of my brothers and that was for a day.
It's a broken record narrative.
From the get go it was running 25% that it kicked people’s asses for 36-92 hours.
Depends on your value of having vs not feeling like shit (or worse).
Quote from: Zeropartii on August 12, 2026, 06:02:49 PM Quote from: So Cruel on August 12, 2026, 01:19:04 PM Quote from: Zeropartii on August 12, 2026, 12:37:25 PM
People I talked to on the first rollout felt sick for days.
(https://i.redd.it/hhvkyfld3sad1.jpeg)
Some people have adverse reactions to ibuprofen so stop the grandstanding as if it could not happen. In fact it was pretty rough for many. I’m happy I never took it.
You had a generic “people I talked to were sick for days”. How many? What % were sick for days?
Between friends and family I know at least 30 people who got the shot and the only person I know who felt a bit ill was one of my brothers and that was for a day.
Quote from: So Cruel on August 12, 2026, 01:19:04 PM Quote from: Zeropartii on August 12, 2026, 12:37:25 PM
People I talked to on the first rollout felt sick for days.
(https://i.redd.it/hhvkyfld3sad1.jpeg)
Some people have adverse reactions to ibuprofen so stop the grandstanding as if it could not happen. In fact it was pretty rough for many. I’m happy I never took it.
I felt ill for a few days after taking the first poke after stupidly taking it even though I'd already suffered from the virus in Mar/April 2020. They basically preyed on people's fear.
Quote from: Zeropartii on August 12, 2026, 12:37:25 PM
People I talked to on the first rollout felt sick for days.
Old school inoculation is not what was rolled out during COVID. Most of us with common sense could smell it. Why give it away for free while mandating it. Nobody had yet to prove “it would have been way worse had they not gotten it”
Yet, VAERS was all fraud.
People I talked to on the first rollout felt sick for days. I wasn’t about to subject myself to that while the mechanism was never explained.
Quote from: Codeguy on August 11, 2026, 02:10:54 PM Quote from: This Dave on August 11, 2026, 01:58:35 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 11, 2026, 03:18:34 AM Quote from: This Dave on August 10, 2026, 10:08:26 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 10, 2026, 06:07:25 PM Quote from: This Dave on August 10, 2026, 03:16:06 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 10, 2026, 03:00:10 PM Quote from: This Dave on August 09, 2026, 04:07:54 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 09, 2026, 02:14:07 PM Quote from: This Dave on August 08, 2026, 09:34:47 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 05, 2026, 11:20:06 PM Quote from: BluerWhite on August 05, 2026, 10:29:51 PM Is there something inherently bad about mRNA technology?
No. It’s really simple. But people who don’t understand basic science have been questioning vaccines since Edward Jenner. this is why measles is back. This is why we have tuberculosis again. too many people have been listening to morons for too long.
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You don't see any difference between long established vaccines and the COVID ones? Here's one of many, for example: Everybody still got COVID.
Google 'how do vaccines work'
It'll blow your mind
Always the arrogant answer which doesn't answer the question. The COVID vaccines were obviously quite different from what we are used to with vaccines. Refusal to confront that and being smug about it creates the very problem about which you complain.
The question is either disingenuous or genuinely ignorant. Because of the amount of right wing bullshit on the Internet, I can never tell which is which.
So here’s an equally smug answer that actually does answer the question.
The devastating scientific argument: “I got COVID, therefore vaccines don’t work.”
In other news, seatbelts are useless because people still get in car crashes.
The COVID vaccines were never magic force fields that prevented every infection. Their principal benefit was substantially reducing the risk of severe disease, hospitalization, and death.
Some but not all COVID vaccines were “different” from some long-established vaccines. That’s a perfectly legitimate subject for discussion.
But “people still caught COVID” is about as scientifically sophisticated as “my friend wore a seatbelt and still got into a car accident, checkmate Big Seatbelt industry.”
Quote from: This Dave on August 11, 2026, 01:58:35 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 11, 2026, 03:18:34 AM Quote from: This Dave on August 10, 2026, 10:08:26 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 10, 2026, 06:07:25 PM Quote from: This Dave on August 10, 2026, 03:16:06 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 10, 2026, 03:00:10 PM Quote from: This Dave on August 09, 2026, 04:07:54 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 09, 2026, 02:14:07 PM Quote from: This Dave on August 08, 2026, 09:34:47 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 05, 2026, 11:20:06 PM Quote from: BluerWhite on August 05, 2026, 10:29:51 PM Is there something inherently bad about mRNA technology?
No. It’s really simple. But people who don’t understand basic science have been questioning vaccines since Edward Jenner. this is why measles is back. This is why we have tuberculosis again. too many people have been listening to morons for too long.
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You don't see any difference between long established vaccines and the COVID ones? Here's one of many, for example: Everybody still got COVID.
Google 'how do vaccines work'
It'll blow your mind
Always the arrogant answer which doesn't answer the question. The COVID vaccines were obviously quite different from what we are used to with vaccines. Refusal to confront that and being smug about it creates the very problem about which you complain.
The question is either disingenuous or genuinely ignorant. Because of the amount of right wing bullshit on the Internet, I can never tell which is which.
So here’s an equally smug answer that actually does answer the question.
The devastating scientific argument: “I got COVID, therefore vaccines don’t work.”
In other news, seatbelts are useless because people still get in car crashes.
The COVID vaccines were never magic force fields that prevented every infection. Their principal benefit was substantially reducing the risk of severe disease, hospitalization, and death.
Some but not all COVID vaccines were “different” from some long-established vaccines. That’s a perfectly legitimate subject for discussion.
But “people still caught COVID” is about as scientifically sophisticated as “my friend wore a seatbelt and still got into a car accident, checkmate Big Seatbelt industry.”
If you want to actually learn the truth, with the highest level of scientific evidence, I suggest you read the Grana/Cochrane study. Newbern is more up to date but not quite as comprehensive. Spoiler alert: the best performing vaccines were the mRNA ones, especially from Moderna. Fewer (practically zero) side effects, extremely good at preventing mortality and hospitalization. Cochrane/Grana compiled 422,000 cases and found that there were so few deaths from vaccinated people that it was too statistically insignificant to even derive any meaningful information from. In other words, it might as well have been zero.
Quote from: Codeguy on August 11, 2026, 03:18:34 AM Quote from: This Dave on August 10, 2026, 10:08:26 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 10, 2026, 06:07:25 PM Quote from: This Dave on August 10, 2026, 03:16:06 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 10, 2026, 03:00:10 PM Quote from: This Dave on August 09, 2026, 04:07:54 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 09, 2026, 02:14:07 PM Quote from: This Dave on August 08, 2026, 09:34:47 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 05, 2026, 11:20:06 PM Quote from: BluerWhite on August 05, 2026, 10:29:51 PM Is there something inherently bad about mRNA technology?
No. It’s really simple. But people who don’t understand basic science have been questioning vaccines since Edward Jenner. this is why measles is back. This is why we have tuberculosis again. too many people have been listening to morons for too long.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You don't see any difference between long established vaccines and the COVID ones? Here's one of many, for example: Everybody still got COVID.
Google 'how do vaccines work'
It'll blow your mind
Always the arrogant answer which doesn't answer the question. The COVID vaccines were obviously quite different from what we are used to with vaccines. Refusal to confront that and being smug about it creates the very problem about which you complain.
The question is either disingenuous or genuinely ignorant. Because of the amount of right wing bullshit on the Internet, I can never tell which is which.
So here’s an equally smug answer that actually does answer the question.
The devastating scientific argument: “I got COVID, therefore vaccines don’t work.”
In other news, seatbelts are useless because people still get in car crashes.
The COVID vaccines were never magic force fields that prevented every infection. Their principal benefit was substantially reducing the risk of severe disease, hospitalization, and death.
Some but not all COVID vaccines were “different” from some long-established vaccines. That’s a perfectly legitimate subject for discussion.
But “people still caught COVID” is about as scientifically sophisticated as “my friend wore a seatbelt and still got into a car accident, checkmate Big Seatbelt industry.”
If you want to actually learn the truth, with the highest level of scientific evidence, I suggest you read the Grana/Cochrane study. Newbern is more up to date but not quite as comprehensive. Spoiler alert: the best performing vaccines were the mRNA ones, especially from Moderna. Fewer (practically zero) side effects, extremely good at preventing mortality and hospitalization. Cochrane/Grana compiled 422,000 cases and found that there were so few deaths from vaccinated people that it was too statistically insignificant to even derive any meaningful information from. In other words, it might as well have been zero.
Quote from: This Dave on August 10, 2026, 10:08:26 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 10, 2026, 06:07:25 PM Quote from: This Dave on August 10, 2026, 03:16:06 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 10, 2026, 03:00:10 PM Quote from: This Dave on August 09, 2026, 04:07:54 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 09, 2026, 02:14:07 PM Quote from: This Dave on August 08, 2026, 09:34:47 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 05, 2026, 11:20:06 PM Quote from: BluerWhite on August 05, 2026, 10:29:51 PM Is there something inherently bad about mRNA technology?
No. It’s really simple. But people who don’t understand basic science have been questioning vaccines since Edward Jenner. this is why measles is back. This is why we have tuberculosis again. too many people have been listening to morons for too long.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You don't see any difference between long established vaccines and the COVID ones? Here's one of many, for example: Everybody still got COVID.
Google 'how do vaccines work'
It'll blow your mind
Always the arrogant answer which doesn't answer the question. The COVID vaccines were obviously quite different from what we are used to with vaccines. Refusal to confront that and being smug about it creates the very problem about which you complain.
The question is either disingenuous or genuinely ignorant. Because of the amount of right wing bullshit on the Internet, I can never tell which is which.
So here’s an equally smug answer that actually does answer the question.
The devastating scientific argument: “I got COVID, therefore vaccines don’t work.”
In other news, seatbelts are useless because people still get in car crashes.
The COVID vaccines were never magic force fields that prevented every infection. Their principal benefit was substantially reducing the risk of severe disease, hospitalization, and death.
Some but not all COVID vaccines were “different” from some long-established vaccines. That’s a perfectly legitimate subject for discussion.
But “people still caught COVID” is about as scientifically sophisticated as “my friend wore a seatbelt and still got into a car accident, checkmate Big Seatbelt industry.”
If you want to actually learn the truth, with the highest level of scientific evidence, I suggest you read the Grana/Cochrane study. Newbern is more up to date but not quite as comprehensive. Spoiler alert: the best performing vaccines were the mRNA ones, especially from Moderna. Fewer (practically zero) side effects, extremely good at preventing mortality and hospitalization. Cochrane/Grana compiled 422,000 cases and found that there were so few deaths from vaccinated people that it was too statistically insignificant to even derive any meaningful information from. In other words, it might as well have been zero.
Quote from: Codeguy on August 10, 2026, 06:07:25 PM Quote from: This Dave on August 10, 2026, 03:16:06 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 10, 2026, 03:00:10 PM Quote from: This Dave on August 09, 2026, 04:07:54 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 09, 2026, 02:14:07 PM Quote from: This Dave on August 08, 2026, 09:34:47 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 05, 2026, 11:20:06 PM Quote from: BluerWhite on August 05, 2026, 10:29:51 PM Is there something inherently bad about mRNA technology?
No. It’s really simple. But people who don’t understand basic science have been questioning vaccines since Edward Jenner. this is why measles is back. This is why we have tuberculosis again. too many people have been listening to morons for too long.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You don't see any difference between long established vaccines and the COVID ones? Here's one of many, for example: Everybody still got COVID.
Google 'how do vaccines work'
It'll blow your mind
Always the arrogant answer which doesn't answer the question. The COVID vaccines were obviously quite different from what we are used to with vaccines. Refusal to confront that and being smug about it creates the very problem about which you complain.
The question is either disingenuous or genuinely ignorant. Because of the amount of right wing bullshit on the Internet, I can never tell which is which.
So here’s an equally smug answer that actually does answer the question.
The devastating scientific argument: “I got COVID, therefore vaccines don’t work.”
In other news, seatbelts are useless because people still get in car crashes.
The COVID vaccines were never magic force fields that prevented every infection. Their principal benefit was substantially reducing the risk of severe disease, hospitalization, and death.
Some but not all COVID vaccines were “different” from some long-established vaccines. That’s a perfectly legitimate subject for discussion.
But “people still caught COVID” is about as scientifically sophisticated as “my friend wore a seatbelt and still got into a car accident, checkmate Big Seatbelt industry.”
If you want to actually learn the truth, with the highest level of scientific evidence, I suggest you read the Grana/Cochrane study. Newbern is more up to date but not quite as comprehensive. Spoiler alert: the best performing vaccines were the mRNA ones, especially from Moderna. Fewer (practically zero) side effects, extremely good at preventing mortality and hospitalization. Cochrane/Grana compiled 422,000 cases and found that there were so few deaths from vaccinated people that it was too statistically insignificant to even derive any meaningful information from. In other words, it might as well have been zero.
Quote from: This Dave on August 10, 2026, 03:16:06 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 10, 2026, 03:00:10 PM Quote from: This Dave on August 09, 2026, 04:07:54 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 09, 2026, 02:14:07 PM Quote from: This Dave on August 08, 2026, 09:34:47 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 05, 2026, 11:20:06 PM Quote from: BluerWhite on August 05, 2026, 10:29:51 PM Is there something inherently bad about mRNA technology?
No. It’s really simple. But people who don’t understand basic science have been questioning vaccines since Edward Jenner. this is why measles is back. This is why we have tuberculosis again. too many people have been listening to morons for too long.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You don't see any difference between long established vaccines and the COVID ones? Here's one of many, for example: Everybody still got COVID.
Google 'how do vaccines work'
It'll blow your mind
Always the arrogant answer which doesn't answer the question. The COVID vaccines were obviously quite different from what we are used to with vaccines. Refusal to confront that and being smug about it creates the very problem about which you complain.
The question is either disingenuous or genuinely ignorant. Because of the amount of right wing bullshit on the Internet, I can never tell which is which.
So here’s an equally smug answer that actually does answer the question.
The devastating scientific argument: “I got COVID, therefore vaccines don’t work.”
In other news, seatbelts are useless because people still get in car crashes.
The COVID vaccines were never magic force fields that prevented every infection. Their principal benefit was substantially reducing the risk of severe disease, hospitalization, and death.
Some but not all COVID vaccines were “different” from some long-established vaccines. That’s a perfectly legitimate subject for discussion.
But “people still caught COVID” is about as scientifically sophisticated as “my friend wore a seatbelt and still got into a car accident, checkmate Big Seatbelt industry.”
If you want to actually learn the truth, with the highest level of scientific evidence, I suggest you read the Grana/Cochrane study. Newbern is more up to date but not quite as comprehensive. Spoiler alert: the best performing vaccines were the mRNA ones, especially from Moderna. Fewer (practically zero) side effects, extremely good at preventing mortality and hospitalization. Cochrane/Grana compiled 422,000 cases and found that there were so few deaths from vaccinated people that it was too statistically insignificant to even derive any meaningful information from. In other words, it might as well have been zero.
Quote from: Codeguy on August 10, 2026, 03:00:10 PM Quote from: This Dave on August 09, 2026, 04:07:54 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 09, 2026, 02:14:07 PM Quote from: This Dave on August 08, 2026, 09:34:47 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 05, 2026, 11:20:06 PM Quote from: BluerWhite on August 05, 2026, 10:29:51 PM Is there something inherently bad about mRNA technology?
No. It’s really simple. But people who don’t understand basic science have been questioning vaccines since Edward Jenner. this is why measles is back. This is why we have tuberculosis again. too many people have been listening to morons for too long.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You don't see any difference between long established vaccines and the COVID ones? Here's one of many, for example: Everybody still got COVID.
Google 'how do vaccines work'
It'll blow your mind
Always the arrogant answer which doesn't answer the question. The COVID vaccines were obviously quite different from what we are used to with vaccines. Refusal to confront that and being smug about it creates the very problem about which you complain.
The question is either disingenuous or genuinely ignorant. Because of the amount of right wing bullshit on the Internet, I can never tell which is which.
So here’s an equally smug answer that actually does answer the question.
The devastating scientific argument: “I got COVID, therefore vaccines don’t work.”
In other news, seatbelts are useless because people still get in car crashes.
The COVID vaccines were never magic force fields that prevented every infection. Their principal benefit was substantially reducing the risk of severe disease, hospitalization, and death.
Some but not all COVID vaccines were “different” from some long-established vaccines. That’s a perfectly legitimate subject for discussion.
But “people still caught COVID” is about as scientifically sophisticated as “my friend wore a seatbelt and still got into a car accident, checkmate Big Seatbelt industry.”
If you want to actually learn the truth, with the highest level of scientific evidence, I suggest you read the Grana/Cochrane study. Newbern is more up to date but not quite as comprehensive. Spoiler alert: the best performing vaccines were the mRNA ones, especially from Moderna. Fewer (practically zero) side effects, extremely good at preventing mortality and hospitalization. Cochrane/Grana compiled 422,000 cases and found that there were so few deaths from vaccinated people that it was too statistically insignificant to even derive any meaningful information from. In other words, it might as well have been zero.
Quote from: This Dave on August 09, 2026, 04:07:54 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 09, 2026, 02:14:07 PM Quote from: This Dave on August 08, 2026, 09:34:47 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 05, 2026, 11:20:06 PM Quote from: BluerWhite on August 05, 2026, 10:29:51 PM Is there something inherently bad about mRNA technology?
No. It’s really simple. But people who don’t understand basic science have been questioning vaccines since Edward Jenner. this is why measles is back. This is why we have tuberculosis again. too many people have been listening to morons for too long.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You don't see any difference between long established vaccines and the COVID ones? Here's one of many, for example: Everybody still got COVID.
Google 'how do vaccines work'
It'll blow your mind
Always the arrogant answer which doesn't answer the question. The COVID vaccines were obviously quite different from what we are used to with vaccines. Refusal to confront that and being smug about it creates the very problem about which you complain.
The question is either disingenuous or genuinely ignorant. Because of the amount of right wing bullshit on the Internet, I can never tell which is which.
So here’s an equally smug answer that actually does answer the question.
The devastating scientific argument: “I got COVID, therefore vaccines don’t work.”
In other news, seatbelts are useless because people still get in car crashes.
The COVID vaccines were never magic force fields that prevented every infection. Their principal benefit was substantially reducing the risk of severe disease, hospitalization, and death.
Some but not all COVID vaccines were “different” from some long-established vaccines. That’s a perfectly legitimate subject for discussion.
But “people still caught COVID” is about as scientifically sophisticated as “my friend wore a seatbelt and still got into a car accident, checkmate Big Seatbelt industry.”
If you want to actually learn the truth, with the highest level of scientific evidence, I suggest you read the Grana/Cochrane study. Newbern is more up to date but not quite as comprehensive. Spoiler alert: the best performing vaccines were the mRNA ones, especially from Moderna. Fewer (practically zero) side effects, extremely good at preventing mortality and hospitalization. Cochrane/Grana compiled 422,000 cases and found that there were so few deaths from vaccinated people that it was too statistically insignificant to even derive any meaningful information from. In other words, it might as well have been zero.
Quote from: This Dave on August 09, 2026, 04:07:54 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 09, 2026, 02:14:07 PM Quote from: This Dave on August 08, 2026, 09:34:47 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 05, 2026, 11:20:06 PM Quote from: BluerWhite on August 05, 2026, 10:29:51 PM Is there something inherently bad about mRNA technology?
No. It’s really simple. But people who don’t understand basic science have been questioning vaccines since Edward Jenner. this is why measles is back. This is why we have tuberculosis again. too many people have been listening to morons for too long.
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You don't see any difference between long established vaccines and the COVID ones? Here's one of many, for example: Everybody still got COVID.
Google 'how do vaccines work'
It'll blow your mind
Always the arrogant answer which doesn't answer the question. The COVID vaccines were obviously quite different from what we are used to with vaccines. Refusal to confront that and being smug about it creates the very problem about which you complain.
CG smug? Huh.
Quote from: Codeguy on August 09, 2026, 02:14:07 PM Quote from: This Dave on August 08, 2026, 09:34:47 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 05, 2026, 11:20:06 PM Quote from: BluerWhite on August 05, 2026, 10:29:51 PM Is there something inherently bad about mRNA technology?
No. It’s really simple. But people who don’t understand basic science have been questioning vaccines since Edward Jenner. this is why measles is back. This is why we have tuberculosis again. too many people have been listening to morons for too long.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You don't see any difference between long established vaccines and the COVID ones? Here's one of many, for example: Everybody still got COVID.
Google 'how do vaccines work'
It'll blow your mind
Always the arrogant answer which doesn't answer the question. The COVID vaccines were obviously quite different from what we are used to with vaccines. Refusal to confront that and being smug about it creates the very problem about which you complain.
Quote from: This Dave on August 08, 2026, 09:34:47 PM Quote from: Codeguy on August 05, 2026, 11:20:06 PM Quote from: BluerWhite on August 05, 2026, 10:29:51 PM Is there something inherently bad about mRNA technology?
No. It’s really simple. But people who don’t understand basic science have been questioning vaccines since Edward Jenner. this is why measles is back. This is why we have tuberculosis again. too many people have been listening to morons for too long.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You don't see any difference between long established vaccines and the COVID ones? Here's one of many, for example: Everybody still got COVID.
Google 'how do vaccines work'
It'll blow your mind
Quote from: Codeguy on August 05, 2026, 11:20:06 PM Quote from: BluerWhite on August 05, 2026, 10:29:51 PM Is there something inherently bad about mRNA technology?
No. It’s really simple. But people who don’t understand basic science have been questioning vaccines since Edward Jenner. this is why measles is back. This is why we have tuberculosis again. too many people have been listening to morons for too long.
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You don't see any difference between long established vaccines and the COVID ones? Here's one of many, for example: Everybody still got COVID.
Quote from: So Cruel on August 05, 2026, 01:10:33 PM It’s complete incompetence to have Robert Kennedy as the Health Secretary. Fucking lunacy.
It is exactly as ridiculous as the people who were in charge before, and it is entirely their behavior which led to this.
I'd rather he not be there either, but they threw their credibility in the trash for politics, and in doing so opened up the door to people who were aligned against them.
People ought to get full transparency on medicines or whatever the current “definition” of vaccine falls into. Have the choice of using.
Quote from: imaginary friend on August 06, 2026, 07:13:34 AM The cutting edge of medical science, vaccines and otherwise, left America behind years ago.
Well on behalf of the good people of Ireland, ModeRNA is welcome to establish research facilities on the Emerald Isle. You’ll be in good company. Merck, Pfizer, Eli Lilly, Johnson and Johnson, Novartis, GlaxoSmithKline, AstraZeneca, Novartis, etc. plenty of skilled people to select from. As long as America finds vaccines offensive, we’d be happy to take the business.
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The cutting edge of medical science, vaccines and otherwise, left America behind years ago.
Quote from: BluerWhite on August 05, 2026, 10:29:51 PM Is there something inherently bad about mRNA technology?
No. It’s really simple. But people who don’t understand basic science have been questioning vaccines since Edward Jenner. this is why measles is back. This is why we have tuberculosis again. too many people have been listening to morons for too long.
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Quote from: So Cruel on August 05, 2026, 01:10:33 PM It’s complete incompetence to have Robert Kennedy as the Health Secretary. Fucking lunacy.
Good thing you live in Canada. MAID world.
This shit will drive the science out of the US. China, Europe, UK, and Canada will roll out the red carpet to these companies while the USA tells them all to fuck off.
It’s complete incompetence to have Robert Kennedy as the Health Secretary. Fucking lunacy.
https://www.npr.org/2026/08/01/nx-s1-5897441/fda-mrna-moderna-flu-vaccine
Health Secretary Robert F Kennedy Jr. has long questioned the value of mRNA vaccine technology. And soon the Food and Drug Administration will decide whether to approve a new kind of flu shot built on mRNA.
How the agency rules on the experimental vaccine made by Moderna has big implications for the future of mRNA research. In this photo, a researcher works in a lab at the Moderna headquarters in Cambridge, Massachusetts. She's wearing a white lab coat, safety goggles and blue gloves and is working with a set of pipettes. Public Health Public health experts dismayed by RFK Jr.'s defunding of mRNA vaccine research
In February, Moderna president Stephen Hoge was at one of the company's manufacturing sites, when the head of regulatory affairs, Charbel Haber, approached him.
Almost immediately Hoge knew something was wrong.
"Charbel came up to me and just had a very nervous look on his face," he says. "And when your head of regulatory comes up and has a concerned look on … [his] face, you take it seriously."
Moderna had just gotten a letter from the FDA. Hoge rushed with Haber to huddle with a few others in a nearby conference room.
"That's where you pop it up on a screen and it hits you, you know, right in the face," Hoge says.
The FDA said it would not review Moderna's application for its mRNA flu shot, effectively rejecting it.
What the FDA's rejection of Moderna's flu shot means for the future of vaccines
It was a shock. "We had talked to the FDA at every step along the way, including prior to filing," he says. "And they had said, you can go forward and submit and we will conduct a review."
Moderna went public with what happened. The news shook the pharmaceutical industry. There was an outcry over the FDA's backtracking.
A little over a week later, the agency reconsidered and agreed to review the vaccine after Moderna promised to add a confirmatory study of the vaccine if it makes it to market. In June, a panel of advisers to the FDA recommended that the agency approve the vaccine.
The agency has a Wednesday deadline to make a decision. If the FDA gives it the green light, the Moderna vaccine would be the first mRNA-based flu shot to make it to market. But the FDA's flip-flop in February has already had a chilling effect.
Rena Conti, a health economist at Boston University, says the industry and its investors will be watching closely because the U.S. market is where they make most of their money. They depend on the FDA to be consistent and fair.
"They don't want to spend money if they don't think there's going to be a way to actually make money on the other end," she says.
What's more, the Department of Health and Human Services canceled nearly $500 million in mRNA vaccine research funding last summer.
In response to NPR's questions about the administration's actions on experimental mRNA vaccines, an HHS spokesman provided the following statement: "Under Secretary Kennedy's leadership, HHS is advancing President Trump's commitment to strengthen public health through gold-standard science, and FDA will continue applying rigorous, evidence-based standards to every product it reviews while supporting innovation that meets those standards." Investors in mRNA research are wary
But Hoge says Moderna is holding off on some planned mRNA research until the company knows how things will shake out.
In the world of mRNA, Moderna is a big fish and most of the rest are tiny biotechs with 20 or 30 employees, says Jeff Coller, a professor at Johns Hopkins University who has studied mRNA technology for decades.
"When you see the FDA rejecting a product that comes from Moderna, why is it that my little company would be able to push through?" he says.
Coller says the FDA's actions combined with the HHS funding cuts spooked the venture capital firms that backed many of the smaller biotechs working on mRNA therapies for conditions ranging from Lyme disease to rare cancers.
That matters to people like 69-year-old Janusz Racz, a retired computer scientist who lives in London. When his doctors found inoperable Stage 3 lung cancer two years ago, it was a surprise.
He's a runner and sailor and had no symptoms, but the tumor was the size of a golf ball. If he did nothing, his doctors told him he would be dead in a matter of months.
Racz got into a clinical trial in London, where he lives, that made him the first person in the U.K. to receive an mRNA vaccine made by BioNTech, Pfizer's partner on the first vaccine against COVID-19.
"I decided just to participate because I saw that was a big chance." he says. "And also, as a scientist ... I wanted to participate in such a program to give other patients a hope."
After a year of regular vaccinations, the cancer is gone. He's making plans for the future while the study continues for other patients.
But he's watched as the Trump administration and Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. have taken aim at mRNA vaccines.
Racz is a U.S. citizen, so he says he wrote Kennedy a letter.
"I told him my story," he says. "And this is a new hope for people, for millions of people. And they cut off the hope."
He says Kennedy never wrote back.